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Roughstock

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Jun 28, 2007 3:41 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ethanol is a great case in point.  I have yet to make a personal determination about ethanol but I think it is unwise to blindly assume it`s the answer to all our fuel problems just because there is so much noise saying it is. 





Ross, I couldn`t agree more. The growing push for ethanol has a lot of repercussions that have not yet been adequately addressed, especially in regards to the impact on our food supply.

I think the problem—and perhaps this helps fuel those who dismiss sustainabality as a useless or impractical or unproven endeavor—is twofold:

1) There are still many unknowns. Our understanding of the complexities and interdependent nature of our various ecological, economic and political systems is still young. As a society, we are only now beginning to accept the fact that these systems are interdependent, and so we still have a lot to learn about how they work (and don`t work) together. Because of this, there are very few proven standards with which to judge many of the new "solutions" being touted by all three sectors. We`re seeing a growth of standards-setting groups for business (B-Corporation being the latest I`ve heard about), but each has their own methodology. This poses obvious challenges.

2) Many of the answers are counterintuitive. This speaks directly to the ethanol issue; what may seem like a reasonable solution may actually not be. Given that our consumerist culture is so attached to the instant-gratification-act-before-thinking mentality, ideas may be getting implemented before we do enough research. This of course, could squelch all our efforts before we even have a chnace to discover the "best" options.

This is why I feel so strongly that the only way true sustainability can be achieved—if at all—is if there is a paradigm shift in how we approach almost everything: economy, ecology, politics, population, organization, technology, etc. Of course, I`m no dummy. That`s a tall order. But I think our culture has taken a pretty dramatic turn since, say, 1960. There`s no reason to think it won`t shift again—maybe in an entirely different direction—over the next several decades. And if it does, it is likely to happen at an even more rapid rate than previous changes.

Anyway, it`s hard not to get philosophical about this when looking at the ground-level/practical implementation of particular ideas.

—J.


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thrgreendgagon

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Jun 28, 2007 7:35 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If we put all the available farm land into growing corn (or other crops) to produce ehtanol, it still wouldn`t make much of a dent in what is needed to replace fossil fuels.  And what energy would we use to produce the ethanol?  What would we do with the waste from its production.

We CAN produce all the hydrogen needed to power this entire planet using existing,replenishing, totally "green" resourses and clean up the poluted enviroment in five years!

Mike 

rossb

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Jun 28, 2007 8:28 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If we put all the available farm land into growing corn (or other crops) to produce ehtanol, it still wouldn`t make much of a dent in what is needed to replace fossil fuels.  And what energy would we use to produce the ethanol?  What would we do with the waste from its production.

We CAN produce all the hydrogen needed to power this entire planet using existing,replenishing, totally "green" resourses and clean up the poluted enviroment in five years!

Mike

If this be true, what`s the holdup?

R-


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thrgreendgagon

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Jun 28, 2007 8:39 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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My holdup is the $250,00 needed to build a prototype to "prove" to the DOE that will work!  Then they would approve and fund a test to verify it works.

I don`t know what roadblocks the oil industury might create.  Every time someone talks about installing the "Hydrogen Highyay", the subjest quickly goes away.

Mike

rossb

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Jun 28, 2007 8:57 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Mike -

You might find this interesting:  GM Hy-Wire

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sdlewis

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Jun 28, 2007 9:06 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Taking all the wonderful discussions and very  passionate opinions into consideration, what are the..."Best Green businesses to start"? 

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Steven Lewis
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sdlewis

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Jun 28, 2007 9:09 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I have read a lot about recycling clothes. Reusing the fiber used to make clothing could be an area of focus.

What do you all think?


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thrgreendgagon

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Jun 28, 2007 9:19 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ross,

Thanks, I already knew about that. Like he said "years away and BIG bucks"  Mercades has an internal combustion engine car running on Hydrogen.  Most people can`t get past the concept that massive amounts of Hydrogen can be produced NOW, using only available natural resources!

Mike

ChetThompson

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Jul 06, 2007 4:10 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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What is the POV on using renewable resources from developing/established countries that have to be imported because the raw goods are illegal to grow here in the US.  I am speaking of Hemp.  Any rants, raves or epinions?
rossb

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Jul 06, 2007 5:24 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Chet -

The first questions would be "for what use?"  From where would it be imported?  What kind of governmental reg`s and importation fees would be incurred?  Are they so high that the costs involved outweigh the benefits?

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