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Welton

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Sep 17, 2007 3:19 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I just received an email from Shanghai IDC.. this is SCAM since other people also received similar emails. 

http://www.erikjheels.com/?p=841

Please beware about scams like this.

The email looks like this. 

From: kenny wu [mailto:brand@govidc.org.cn]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:39 PM
To: info
Subject: Domain name of dianalindesign

 

Dear CEO,

We are Shanghai IDC Co., Ltd, which is the domain name registrar centre in China. We have something important need to confirm with your company.


On the Sep 16, 2007, we received an application formally. One company named "Saibo Investment(China) Co.,Ltd " applied for the internet brand keyword "dianalindesign" and the domain names "dianalindesign.cn  etc.".
 
These days we are dealing with it, After our initial examination, we found that the internet brand keyword and domain name applied for registration are as same as your company`s name and trademark. hope to get the affirmation of your company because that may relate to your intellectual property on internet. Now we have not finished the registration of Saibo company yet, in order to deal with this issue better, please let someone who is responsible for trademark or domain name contact me as soon as possible.

    

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Shanghai IDC Co.,Ltd

Address601A/F Baimao High-tech Mansion, NO.641 Tianshan road, Shanghai 

Tel: +86-21-5175 0302

Fax:+86-21-5175 0301

Email:   brand@govidc.com.cn    brand@govidc.org.cn




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Welton Hong
Co-Founder
Diana Lin Design, LLC
www.dianalindesign.com
welton@dianalindesign.com
Welton

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Sep 17, 2007 3:21 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Then.. I emailed him back and told him that I will consult my lawyer first.  This is the email I got back from him:

From: kenny wu [mailto:brand@govidc.org.cn]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:32 PM
To: welton@dianalindesign.com
Subject: Re: RE: Domain name of dianalindesign

 

Dear Welton Hong

 

Thanks for your prompt reply. According to our investigation, Saibo company is a Hong Kong company. If you have no relationship with them. According to our working experience, there are 2 possibilities:
1. Saibo company is a domain name investment company, they want to register these names before you and sell back to you to gain profits.
2. It may be a commercial method, Saibo company is consigned by your competitor to register, let your clients feel confusion.

 

We knew you have registered the domain name "dianalindesign.com" and own the intellectual property, this is why we informed you. But now Saibo company wanted to apply for other domain names and internet brand Keyword you have not registered yet. Saibo company wants to apply the following domain names:
dianalindesign.cn

dianalindesign.com.cn

dianalindesign.net.cn

dianalindesign.org.cn

dianalindesign.net

dianalindesign.org

dianalindesign.info

dianalindesign.biz

dianalindesign.cc

dianalindesign.hk
Internet Brand Keyword "dianalindesign"

 

You must know Domain name takes open registration, this is international domain name registration principle. So Saibo company has right to register them. As a domain name registrar, we have no right to dispute their application. So required by China government to inform your company to protect your interest. But as the company whose trademarks relate to the applied domains, you will get the priority to register these domain names.

 

If you have business in China or you want to develop business in China in the near future, so I think these domain names are very important for you! Of course, each company has their own idea. If you don`t think their application will affect your company, you can give up, we will finish their registration. But if you think these domain names are useful for your company, we can send an application form to you and help you register these within dispute period. This is the only way to prevent domain name grab. Pls let us know your decision soon, so that we can handle the next step.  




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Welton Hong
Co-Founder
Diana Lin Design, LLC
www.dianalindesign.com
welton@dianalindesign.com
RealityBoatCo

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Sep 17, 2007 11:50 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`m missing the SCAM part.   

  I`m just not seeing it.  Can you explain the scam part of this. 

miabellacandles

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Sep 17, 2007 7:53 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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It seems that they are attempting to be "helpful" to Welton by registering all of the other domain names listed, possibly for an inflated price.

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MCShults

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Oct 11, 2007 8:56 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Scam may be the wrong word. Perhaps, "shakedown" might be a better description. At face value at least, they seem to be a registrar which attempts to motivate companies to buy (from them) URLs with the "cn" (China) extension e.g. google.com.cn by claiming that Chinese rascals are desperate to grab up "cn" extensions of your existing URLs. As best I can tell from the "chinglish" on the site, they concurrently encourage others to buy up high-traffic URLs with a ".cn" added at the end; --the appeal being to thus deceptively steal traffic intended for the high-traffic URL.

At best, I believe the phrase that best describes this practice is "rent seeking".  I did not look into what they charge for registrations, or whether they honestly even do that, but since they are, at face value, playing an unethical game, I would never do business with them. One can presumably register a "cn" extension, if one really has a legitimate need to do so, through an honest, credible registrar company right here in the good ol` USA.

The thing is, to really play this game, one would have to buy tens of thousands of URLs to cover every possible permutation, every country extension, "org", "tv", "mobi", "net", "org" and on and on and on. Maybe Google can afford that, but I`m sure no one here can, so I guess we`ll just have to keep our powder dry and buy and keep those URLs which, as best as we can figure, make direct and tangible sense for our business.

MCShults2007-10-11 9:22:25
donley

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May 05, 2008 7:09 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I had .cn and .com.cn domains but let them expire. I am guessing perhaps you also let your .cn domain expire?

Then I recieved a similar warning email as yours from a group (see below). MCShults mentioned above, and I would agree that it appears they poach on dropped domains, but it appears perhaps the Chinese government may require notice before poaching, or they may be of a registrar that might be attempting to get you to re-register the domain with their group. I didn`t waste too much time, but I did re-registered my domains with the registrar that I originally used.

What led me to this forum is the mention in the email of what is called a "internet brand keyword", which I had not heard of and am researching. The first google page seems to return all about asia scams, where this forum was found. Anyone heard of this?

The group i mention below also had a little 2 pager to explain what this, as well as "value-added service" and "registration principle". They also informed me that the other party had plans to block out several other domains using the same; .net.cn, .org.cn, .hk, .tw, .asia.

Suspicious message from:
Andy Wong
Marketing Manager
Tel +86 571 28926277 ext 808
andy.wong@263.net
europa technology corporation
www.europetech.cn
donley5/5/2008 7:31 AM
JYYC

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Jun 03, 2008 11:26 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I too just received the similar dubious email requesting my domain name.
Should I ignore or reply?

My company name is trademarked and the manner they wrote is confused why Saibo wants to have a domain name exactly the same as mine, and if I do not reply they will proceed to purchase my domain name with different extensions.

I understand that this is an illegal act but I can`t remember which body handles such matters.

Any advice?
ifadl

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Jun 09, 2008 8:47 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I received this email this morning (June 09, 2008):
 

Dear Sir,

Wish everything well with you and your esteemed company!

We are an anti-cybersquatting organization in China and our main service as below:

Legal advice (free), lawyer consultation and domain intellectual property dispute solution on domain grab; domain protection and domain registration.

We write to inform you that we received a formal application from a company called Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd on June 6, 2008. They want to register “tekilart” through us as their domain name (not the domain name you are using now) in China and Asia.

During our auditing procedure we surprisingly find out that the alleged Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd has no trade mark, brand nor patent even similar to the keyword they want to register. So we search online and found your contact information to send you this confirmation letter.

Dear Sir, is this company your business partner or you commit them to do this?

We are in a big confusion and concerning your company’s interests we send you this letter. If you don’t reply we will have to confirm the application from Saibo investment after this confirming procedure.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Any information you want to know from us please feel free to contact.

Kindest regards.

Jad Ji

Registration Commissioner

Beijing HA ZD Science and Technology Co., Ltd

Tel:  +86-10-82772601

Fax: +86-10-82773610

Email:jad.ji@ha-zd.org

 
My company name is Tekilart.
 
I sent the email to trash with no answer... Is correct?
Silanov

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Jul 04, 2008 6:25 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello,
 
I received that one:
 

Dear Sir

We received a formal application from a company who is called Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd is applying to register " fff-aupair " as their domain name in China as well as in Asia on July 3, 2008. During our auditing procedure we find out that the alleged Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd has no trade mark, brand nor patent even similar to that word. As an authorized anti-cyber squatting organization we hereby suspect the alleged Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd to be a domain grabber. Hence we need your confirmation for two things, `

First of all, whether this alleged Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd is your business partner or distributor in China.

Secondly, whether you are interested in registering these domains (The alleged Saibo Investment Co.,Ltd will be entitled to obtain a domain not needed by original trademark owner.)

If you are not in charge of this please transfer this email to appropriate dept.

This is a letter for confirmation. If the mentioned third party is your business partner or distributor in China please DO NOT reply. We will automatically confirm application from your business partner after this audit procedure.

Best wishes,  

Anne.chen

Registration Commissioner

Beijing HA ZD Science and Technology Co., Ltd

Tel:  +86-10-82772601

Fax: +86-10-82773610

Email: anne.chen @ha-zd.org

Http://www.ha-zd.com.cn
 
Do they just want to create a panic, to be able to sell other domain endings?
 
What to do now?
 
Kind regards, Peter
janebush08

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Aug 19, 2008 1:29 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks Kenny for your initiative... I will take care of such type of mails...

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