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dlakey

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Aug 05, 2006 10:15 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ok I know to be using frontpage to create a comercial site is just not proper at all, but we are doing this start-up on an absolute shoestring.

 

Anyway, I am composing in Frontpage 2000, I am using shared borders and everything is fine except for my table containing my navigation tabs.  If you look at the site at htttp://www.electricsensations.com you will see that the tabs:  "home", "the machine", ect.  If you look across the row you will see they are not all parallel.  I have tried to fix this in front page but have not had any success.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

Many Thanks in advance

 

Dan Lakey



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Electric Sensations
Sybian Sales and Rental
www.electricsensations.com

When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade.
Dale Carnegie
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Aug 06, 2006 6:42 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Are you serious? You want women to take you serious .... and you have a web site like what you presenting?

Please do yourself a favor .... and stop right now.

Rather than trying to do this on your own ... I`m confident that you could most likely get a 15 year old to do a better job, than what you have now.

You have proven my point again ....

Do what you do best .... and contract out for everything else !!

dlakey

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Aug 06, 2006 7:50 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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well that was most constructive

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Electric Sensations
Sybian Sales and Rental
www.electricsensations.com

When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade.
Dale Carnegie
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Aug 06, 2006 10:39 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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well that was most constructive

Sorry if I hurt your "feeeeeeeelings" .. but ...

Would I be doing you any good if I said ..."Wow, what a great looking web site. Keep up the good work"??

We are all big boys & girls here ... if you are expecting for all of us to sit arounf the campfire, hold hands and sing Kumbia .... then IMHO, maybe being in business is not for you.

Owning a business is like starring in The Godfather. I recall a great line from the movie "You`ve Got Mail". Tom Hanks sent an IM to Meg Ryan ... saying "go to the mattresses" ... "its war, and you need to go the mattresses".

Constructive criticism is just that "contstructive". It may not be what you want to hear ... but if I wasn`t interested in your success ... would I even be wasting my time posting here? Nope.

My best suggestion ... visit the profile sections of many of the members here at SuN (yes, it takes time ... but it will give you ideas on how to design a true e-commerce web site) and start to "go to the mattresses".

Showboxers

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Aug 07, 2006 12:25 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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  I know this isn`t what you were looking for but your site looks elementary to me, the logo has a very home made look, there is too much reading on the front page which lost my interest and the site is overall boring and unappealing.  

   I created my website for my dogs but for my ecommerce site, I outsourced to a web designer.  I think I did a pretty darn good job on my personal dogs` site but outsourced the ecommerce site because I knew how important it was for customers to feel I was trustworthy, reputable and professional.   Most people who shop online will be leary of an online store with a website that looks home made, especially when purchasing a product like yours that retails for over a thousand dollars.

     Personally your machine scares me, even more so because a man designed it and most men just don`t have a clue,  but that is beside the fact and I am certain there are women who may be interested in your product, however, you have got to get a logo and web design layout that is professionally done so customers will trust paying over a grand of hard earned money to your company.



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Beth Downey
BoxerHaus.com
The Ultimate Boxer Shopping Experience!
www.BoxerHaus.com
RobZ

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Aug 07, 2006 4:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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One thought would be to use an outsourcing company in India.  We have had good success and you can get a professional look for relatively little money.
Nuevolution

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Aug 07, 2006 6:24 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ok, this is where I need to put my two cents in... There was no need for you guys to rip dlakey apart like that.. As if any of your web sites look any better...
Oh did I hear something??
Please lets not go there ladies... That was not called for..
Dlakey,
Ok your web site is not the best, I admit to that (I am a Web designer/ Developer).. What you need to do is stop trying to cut corners, hire someone to design the web site for you. AND no you do not have to hire people in India.
I can give you some leads and designers that may be able to help you out with a 300.00 dollar budget. As for me I won`t offer my services to you at this point simply because I can`t take any more projects in. But I know someone that will do it for you for that much and they are great designers.

Just to help you get an idea of what a real web site should look like, take a look at this design launching in two days... Just so you can get a concept of what real web design is :: http://www.terragroupinc.com

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Edgar Monroy
Web Developer / Owner / Consultant
When starting your own business the need to "know-how" is greater than money!
http://www.nuevolution.net
DesignCaddy

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Aug 08, 2006 9:39 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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dlakey

Have you considered using DotNetNuke?  Very cheap (free) Easy to use and makes a clean site.  You can download a free whitepaper from our site here:

http://www.designcaddy.net/pdf/dotnetnuke.pdf

I hope this helps!



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_____________________________________________ Mike
dlakey

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Aug 08, 2006 12:02 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Well well, where do I start?

 

Ok first of all, I guess I should apologize to TJG, after rereading your initial post I guess you were trying to be constructive, just in your own “truck driver” way LOL.  It is just unfortunately at this time we really do not have the budget to outsource it..  We are boot-stringing this start-up here, we don’t even have boot-straps.

 

Actually the website’s grand opening isn’t until October 1, the only reason it is live now if for collaboration purposes.  That is the date we are going to start our Publicity campaign.  Our actual start of business is set for November 7, 2006 Election day.  WE are look at slogans right now, thinking about “On November 7 Elect to feel the Pleasure,”  What do you think?  So anyway, that is why I am here, I have less than 2 months to make my website something people will trust, help a couple of poor upstart entrepreneurs out here please.

 

Showboxers, you referred to my Logo as looking homemade, well that is exactly what it was, but I have a question for you about that.  Do you find the overall look of the logo unappealing or is it just the way it was rendered?  You are a woman, please give me you opinion on the overall color layout of the sites.  Is it too much pink (a shame you can`t change the color here) for you?  You referred to the front page having too much reading and being boring, exactly what would you like to see on the front page?  I just recently added that long text part about the benefits of the Sybian, but I am not married to having it there by any means.

 

Next I would like to address a concern you raised about they Sybian scaring you.  First of all let me tell you that in the nineteen years that the Sybian has been manufactured and sold, and many thousands of units sold, there has never been a reported case of any type of physical injury resulting from use, although there have been a few  reports of carpet burns and minor soreness though.  With this said, the Sybian is definitely not for everyone.  As a matter of fact there are certain people we will not rent to or sell to.  We will not rent/sell to anyone who is pregnant, has a heart condition, suffers from seizures, or has an IUD in place.  The Sybian is a very powerful machine and is capable of doing some fantastic things, but it is only a machine, and a machine can never replace the warm touch of another person.  The Sybian is meant primarily as a supplement, not as a only source.  Ok I will get off of my soapbox now.

 

RobZ I appreciate your recommendation about the outsourcing to India, but I’m afraid that as a country we do too much outsourcing already.  I’m sure I could get it done much more cheaper $$$ there, but I would hate to think of a web designer here going without because I saved a few bucks.

 

Nuevolution, first of all, thanks for your 2 cents, I can use every cent I can get my hands on right now.  That Terragroup site looks really sharp, a shame I can’t read Spanish I would like to know what they are selling. The $300 number is something I could probable live with if I had too, but here is what I am thinking.  I am going to go back and try a redo maybe with the aid of some constructive criticism and direction from this board, and if I can’t get something that looks half way decent we will look at hiring it out.

 

Design Caddy, I have looked at that DotNetNuke, and have even gone so far as to download it.  I took part of the guided tour and looked at some sites built with it, and I have to say I like it, I like it a lot, but I have some questions maybe you can answer.   My hosting account is an ASP Deluxe account on GoDaddy.  Question what kind of hoops would I have to jump through to get the DNN running on my account, and how hard is it to learn to use?  I suppose I am above average intellect, but certainly no genius.  I was in the Naval Nuclear Power program for anyone who knows what that is.  Anyway, I am definitely going to do some more reading on it and see if it is feasible for me to switch everything over to it at this point,    After all, the business is primarily going to be  strictly a local business to start out.  We will personally deliver units to individuals homes, and then pick them up 1,3, or 7 days later.  We are planning on our primary marketing being viral, word of mouth.  After all, women do talk about those kinds of things when they get together.  A ride on a Sybian is not the kind of thing they are going to be able to keep to themselves.  Anyway, thanks for the pointer on the DotNetNuke.

 

And I would appreciate any input I can get from anyone about anything on the site.  What do you like, what do you not like?  Remember my target demographic is women aged 25-55, Income mid 20’s up to about 100K.  How about the SEO aspects of the site?  I am open to any constructive criticism I can get.

 

thanks

 

Dan



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Electric Sensations
Sybian Sales and Rental
www.electricsensations.com

When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade.
Dale Carnegie
Showboxers

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Aug 08, 2006 12:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ok, this is where I need to put my two cents in... There was no need for you guys to rip dlakey apart like that.. As if any of your web sites look any better...
Oh did I hear something??
Please lets not go there ladies... That was not called for..
Dlakey,
Ok your web site is not the best, I admit to that

Edgar,

        I was far from ripping dlakey apart - the man designing the unit comment was a joke so let`s not be so serious and the comments on the website was meant as constructive criticism to the site as someone who shops online.   Besides Edgar, if you read your post, you basically are telling him the same thing so let`s be careful where we point fingers. 

      There is certainly a market out there for what dlakey is selling but I think everyone has agreed so far, his Frontpage issue is not the problem as much as it is finding either a more user friendly program and improving the site or a web designer.    There is far too much reading and not enough graphics and the site looks home made where I expect dlakey would have better success with a more professional looking site, whether constructed by him or someone else.  Certainly Edgar you can appreciate a wellbuilt site considering you are a web designer.

   As far as your comment on my website not looking any better, I have to disagree and comments from customers have been extremely complementary.  However, I don`t feel I need to defend it and merely was posting my opinion in my original post to this thread as an ecommerce shopper and how trusting I have to feel when I go to a site to spend my money, especally one where the product exceeds $1,000.



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Beth Downey
BoxerHaus.com
The Ultimate Boxer Shopping Experience!
www.BoxerHaus.com
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