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plcl

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Mar 18, 2009 9:59 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This company says they can provide you with buisness credit by using an insurance guaranty on the loan no fico is involved but you have to own a business. I would like to know if anyone has experience with them.
 
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nipper44

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Mar 27, 2009 8:07 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Yes I have.  A friend has sent in the application and the fee.  They will know by next week if they are to get the funds.  Sounds too good to me. 
Gage33

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Mar 27, 2009 9:25 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I have talked with SIF and asked them to prove they are real.  The basically said they have enough clients where they need to prove anything.

Can you say how far your friend is through the process?  The whole deal takes about a month....
 
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nipper44

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Mar 30, 2009 12:05 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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They were told that they would know by today, March 30, or by tomorrow, March 31.
 
Hopefully.
Gage33

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Mar 30, 2009 1:09 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Well, I don`t know if it sounds too good to be true...it still is a loan, not like its free. 

If they are this close, I just wondered if they had any forms notarized or signed corporation documents, etc?  This is just part of the process.
FastVentures

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Mar 31, 2009 9:22 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Whenever there’s an upfront fee involved with granting a loan, it’s usually a good indicator that the company behind it is up to no good.

I tried to look up some information on SIF online and couldn’t find anything except that may be an unrelated or not so unrelated company was involved in some mortgage fraud and got shut down by the state of California.

So, while the idea of coupling insurance with high-risk loans isn’t necessarily a bad idea (the SBA does exactly the same thing), the cost of insuring the credit risk is usually factored into a higher interest rate. The insurance after all benefits the lender and not the borrower.

Given, that there’s hardly any information available on the company and that they charge upfront fee, should make you want to stay away from them. Having said, that I wouldn’t be surprised if “nipper44’s” friend receives some sort of standard letter in the mail notifying him that his application was denied.



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NavyBrat

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Mar 31, 2009 7:34 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hey, I think I`m dealing with the same people. 

As FASTVENTURES noted, and as I noted to the broker that sent me the info, up-front fees in financing scenarios (excluding legitimate hard costs such as broker opinions on preapproved hard-money deals, etc.) are a HUGE red flag. If you haven`t lost an up-front fee, you probably haven`t been in business very long...If you haven`t lost up-front fees yourself, good for you, and I`m sure you know someone who has.
 
I pointed out to the broker that a client of mine was pulled into one of these insurance-backed loans and lost 5.2M.  The "lender" and the "insurance company" were offshore scams - probably run by the same person.  The principal sued all parties including several brokers and called in the FBI.  To my knowledge he hasn`t gotten any of his money back.  Fortunately, I wasn`t in that "deal".
 
The PDF from the "Program Manager" in this deal (first broker in line next to the lender) claims the up-front fee is to make sure the borrower is "serious" (instead of simply admitting that he needs to pay his bills).
 
OK, so I countered with 2 options on the 2% fee (with an 8-point success fee at closing) on 150K or 250K (last week it was 2.5% with a 15-point success fee at closing for 50K, 100K or 150K, but the fees went down this week and they dropped the 50K & 100K and added the 250K):
 
A.  Add the up-front fee to the success fee, plus an additional point for the compromise for a total of 11% at closing instead of 2% up-front and 8% at closing (PREFERRED), or
 
B.  We will escrow the up-front fee in our lawyer`s IOLTA account with irrevocable escrow instructions agreed in advance for the 2% to be paid immediately upon confirmation of transfer of loan proceeds or verification with the lender that the funds are actually available by check or card, or what have you.
 
There should be no problem at all verifying seriousness by escrow (unless that`s not the real reason for the up-front fee). We shall see...
 
I sent this counter in by email today through the broker.  I`ll note the answer when I get it.
 
The broker claims she`s already been paid on the first one, but she sounded rather hesitant when she answered that question.
 
More later...
 
Paulod

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Apr 02, 2009 10:02 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I just got an email from a Liz O`neil who works for this apparent company, has anyone actually gotten financing from these guys???? Here is the email she sent me, because I was asking a ton of questions: 

Yes

The number I gave you is my cell number .  I work out of my home.  There is no law against that.  My company Amerisaver is a legal entity. I am registered with the state of Illinois.

I do not need to explain myself to anyone.

 

This is a legitimate program.  the company that I work for is SIF out of Colorado, who is called Secured insured Fundoing Group, previously known as Bankers Funding Group.  They specialized in hard commercial lending up until last year when they started this program.

 

Good luck and much success to you.

 

Liz

 

Paulod

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Apr 02, 2009 10:04 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Have you heard anything back from your friend who was trying to get financing?
jgrennay

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Apr 02, 2009 1:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I checked on there LLC through the colorado SOS and they were known as bankers funding a couple years ago and changed their name to SIF Funding Group last month so what she says is true. I want to know if someone has actually gone through because I am very interested. The link is here...http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityCriteriaExt.do;jsessionid=0000VCZwnhUwR16OBQ_jzWA7Owe:11nm16ef4
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