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oleg

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Jul 26, 2007 10:58 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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These days, I hear more and more about the future of plug-in hybrid cars:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/26/ HYBRID.TMP

[quote]Toyota took a big step Wednesday toward marketing plug-in hybrid cars -- vehicles that run mostly on rechargeable batteries and can go 100 miles on a gallon of gas -- when it announced it would provide two specially made Priuses to the University of California for testing on U.S. roads.

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The cars look like normal Priuses, but unlike the showroom model, the experimental version runs mostly on its electric motor and plugs into a 110-volt house current for overnight charging. Kwong said the car will travel up to 7 miles on electricity alone and can go up to 60 mph in pure electric mode.

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One potential problem I see with the plug-in hybrids is that most people I know don`t park in a garage! What good is a plug-in hybrid for anyone who parks their car in a driveway, carport, on the street, or any other place that is not within easy reach of an electric outlet?

This needs to be addressed - are there any creative solutions?



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tikki50

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Jul 26, 2007 11:33 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Yep your right Oleg thats a problem. My thought is that gas stations will offer quick charges (which is not currently designed yet) that you stop and in 5 minutes your battery is recharged and the station charges you for the electrical usage. For home use or trickle charging (which means you let the batter charge for a long time slowly) you`d have to plug it in and so some type of extension cord would be needed, but it better be heavy duty because thats probably one heck of a load on the line. It all depends on battery technology and thats why they need to race these things, racing builds technology.

I dont know if I would even want to charge my car in the garage, my mom always said "Unplug that coffee maker before you go to sleep!" So I`m suppose to leave some semi experimental vehicle plugged in over night, hummmmm.

It`s an interesting concept, thats for sure. At least Toyota is out there trying to make a difference. Overall though, I think the hybrids or electric cars are only bandaids to something else. My vision is a charged magnetic freeway powered by a nuclear powerplant, the vehicle hovers 4-6" off the gorund and still has wheels for inner city travel. It uses a generator to build up a magnetic floating system and is propelled like the Top Thrill Dragster at Cader Point, magnetics. The cars don`t have to "fly" like we would imagine they only need to float. Well at least that`s my dream. :)

nhgnikole

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Jul 26, 2007 12:37 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`m thinking, "7 miles?!? That barely gets me to the freeway!"

Also ... if it`s 5-6 miles or less, I just walk.

So what is the point for a greenie like me to have a car going 7 miles?
nhgnikole2007-7-26 12:38:16
oleg

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Jul 26, 2007 12:51 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I guess I missed the part of it only going 7 miles on electric.  That does kind of defeat the purpose.

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nevadascul

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I looked at hybrids and decided to stick with a standard internal combustion vehicle.  The cost difference between the hybrids and gas powered vehicles was to great.  As a result, I would loose any cost savings on fuel to monthly payments.  Once the fuel savings was factored in I would still pay an additional $130 to $140 per month over what my gas powered car cost per month. 

I also could not get a good answer to my question on the batteries.  They have a life expectancy of about five years.   What happens after that?  It’s impractical to replace the battery pack because they account for a substantial portion of the Hybrid.



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CraigL

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Jul 26, 2007 8:25 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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ROFL!! I thought this post was about browser plug-ins...and some weird type of hybrid software!

tikki50

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Jul 28, 2007 1:37 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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lol
spungey

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Jan 23, 2008 12:05 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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When plug-in hybrids become sensible (and I think they will in about three or four years) then apartment managers will start running power cables out to their parking lots, carports, and garages.  If you`re the first to design a power plug locking cover that works with your apartment key (so your neighbors don`t plug into your slot and cost you $$), you might have a product.


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ayjay

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Jan 31, 2008 2:37 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Do you think the US is ready for plug-in cars? What about the fully electric plug-ins of ~10 years ago?

I didn’t know anything about them at the time, but I did see Who Killed the Electric Car? a few years ago. I don’t think most people outside CA knew that electric cars were actually being used for everyday driving by regular people. CA had even developed some infrastructure for these cars: plug-in stations.

According to the movie, electric cars were squashed by the government, automotive manufacturers, and of course Big Oil. All 3 still have quite a bit of power.  I do think we’re in a different place now, with $3.50 gas and an ongoing war, but I still wonder if plug-in hybrid cars will get a foothold.  

Of course, we also need to work out how to produce electricity with renewable resources so that we aren’t burning natural gas and coal to power our plug-in cars. . .

greenspinner

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Here`s some food for thought. In the 30`s GM,Greyhound, Standard Oil, Firestone, and some others, formed a company to buy municipal streetcar systems and dismantle them. Most  of these systems were electrical. They were trying to get GM`s diesel bus business to expand. One city they targeted was LA, they completely ripped out the entire electrical systems. In 1949 GM was convicted with criminally conspiring with Standard Oil and Firestone to replace electrical transportation and to monopolize sale of buses. Fine $5,000. Of course the aftermath was buses spewing tons of carbon monoxide into the air and, of course GM has a lucrative bus business.
 
Henry`s Ford`s model T of 1908 got 21 MPG 100 years later the average gas milage is 25MPG,
The electric car was invented before the gas car.
Boy, we sure have come a long way.


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